3/30/2023 0 Comments Intonation ear trainerBut you still need to begin with the notion of equal temperament, even if in practice it’s not executed as precisely (mechanically?) as a grand piano. And yes, I suppose that would take them out of the realm of absolute equal temperament as represented (again imperfectly, thank you ‘stretched octave’) by the modern piano. A conductor, instrumental or choral, will sometimes ask this of musicians as well. None of that is to say that orchestral musicians won’t adjust notes as they play them to make sonorities purer. That doesn’t work without a jumping-off point of equal temperament, all half-steps being equal. Jazz is everything I just described on steroids. I was saying that classical music (after around 1800) is dependent for much of its effect on chromaticism, on the ability to modulate into distant keys, and the further along you go in time the more you get into whole tone and octatonic tonalities, twelve-tone, what have you. Are all flutes tuned (or should I say, intended to be tuned) using the same system? I have seen flutes from other parts of the world that have completely different scales yet they all sound ‘right’ when played by someone who knows what he is doing.īen? Classical music’s not played in equal temperament? If you’re saying it’s never perfect, you’re absolutely right, but that’s really not what I was saying. If you are playing two notes together, as in a drone or a double stop, some notes such as thirds and fifths will be ‘testable’ by listening to the beats (although some people find even this difficult) but other combinations not so obvious can have quite a margin of acceptability, depending on the instrument and the culture, ie what other people regard as ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. If a note is as you intend it to be, who is to say that it is incorrect? I agree that your ear / brain can become accustomed to hearing yourself playing sharp or flat of the note you intend, and as a result you can play ‘out of tune’ but that is more a case of not listening properly, rather than intentionally playing the note sharp or flat (which I guess is what Bainbridge is saying). But that raises another point - the terms ‘incorrect intonation’ and ‘imperfection’ are questionable. ![]() It doesn’t mean we can’t all play the music if we’re sort-of, kinda, in a similar space and having fun with it. Let’s not assume that everyone playing a 12TET instrument isn’t aware of these issues. I think I’m familiar with what you’re talking about, and it just means that when playing the tunes on mandolin in a session - locked into 12TET - I just avoid some double stop embellishments I might use when playing alone, because they clash.Īnd yeah, I know they clash even though I’m playing a fretted instrument. I live with a fiddler and we play the music together. I still play melody on mandolin and sometimes back it on guitar. I play this music on mandolin where I first learned it, and more recently as a beginner on flute (still learning). “It would be easy to say that the ear of a fiddle player is more sensitive to this kind of thing, than (eg a guitarist or an accordion player). Re: Just-tempered ears vs equal-tempered ears ![]() Just asking for thoughts, not having a stab at any instrument or musician □ # I do a lot of recording at home (on fiddle, obviously), and from time to time I do struggle with ET instruments like piano when used for accompaniment. If you’re a guitarist, and a pretty good one, who tunes to perfection in 20 seconds - do fiddle notes sound out of tune in relation to your 2/3/4 note chords, even when those notes are played by a good fiddler? ![]() Nice thought - but is it true? What if the only music you’ve ever played on fiddle is Irish trad, and in a session, with a big mix of instruments (and maybe you play mandolin too)? It would be easy to say that the ear of a fiddle player is more sensitive to this kind of thing, than (eg a guitarist or an accordion player). I guess there probably has been one like this before (?)īasically, I’m asking, if you play in just temperament (fiddle, flute etc) is your ear more sensitive to ‘bad’ intonation? I’m thinking of (eg) the 3rds (regardless of what instrument you hear them on) - if the higher note is sharp, does is bother you? Do you even notice? The recent, and adjacent “Just-tempered instruments in ITM?” prompted me to start this thread.
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